Anguish of the Agnostic
Bottles gilded for Christmas.
Candles pointing like Titans
thrusting hope into the sky.
Beyond which lies
impropriety and
the barren void for faith.
Tonight the wax cascades
as arctic waterfalls will
at the onset of winter.
Where are you now
that I might feel your warmth
on my open palms
as darkness falls.
Candles pointing like Titans
thrusting hope into the sky.
Beyond which lies
impropriety and
the barren void for faith.
Tonight the wax cascades
as arctic waterfalls will
at the onset of winter.
Where are you now
that I might feel your warmth
on my open palms
as darkness falls.
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Not sure that this really works - 'thrusting hope into the sky' is a pretty terrible abstraction and 'graveyard of hope' is a cliched abstraction... the title is terrible... but I quite like the last two lines!
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I actually quite like the impropriety - hope sequence. New to me, and I like the idea behind it. And, yes, the last couplet is good.
Against that, the candles/titans line struck me as forced. Never seen a candle that evoked a sense of titanism in me. Remind me not to send you a birthday cake. Especially if you're older than 3.
I guess, overall, I'd say it's got some nice lines/images, but it seems to make a point of narrative indirection, even obscurity, which may be great for some readers, but is never a hit with me.
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Against that, the candles/titans line struck me as forced. Never seen a candle that evoked a sense of titanism in me. Remind me not to send you a birthday cake. Especially if you're older than 3.
I guess, overall, I'd say it's got some nice lines/images, but it seems to make a point of narrative indirection, even obscurity, which may be great for some readers, but is never a hit with me.
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Hi John
pleased to meet you.
For what it is worth I like the titanic candles. Candles as big as towers. That candles are not titans is rather the fun of the image.
Not sure I follow with the impropriety beyond the sky...where is that again? Baflles me a little, but not in a bad way.
"Graveyard of Hope"...a bit hammer horror perhaps.
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pleased to meet you.
For what it is worth I like the titanic candles. Candles as big as towers. That candles are not titans is rather the fun of the image.
Not sure I follow with the impropriety beyond the sky...where is that again? Baflles me a little, but not in a bad way.
"Graveyard of Hope"...a bit hammer horror perhaps.
Ant
We fray into the future, rarely wrought
Save in the tapestries of afterthought.
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Save in the tapestries of afterthought.
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Ros, Arian, Ant
Thanks for the read and your comments.
At this stage perhaps it might help comprehension if I tell you that 'Titans' are the US expendable carrier rockets which were part of their space program. If this is unclear is there another way I can express man's quest to the stars (physical) in the context of man's hope at Christmas (metaphysical), especially in believing in the location of 'Heaven'?
J.
Thanks for the read and your comments.
At this stage perhaps it might help comprehension if I tell you that 'Titans' are the US expendable carrier rockets which were part of their space program. If this is unclear is there another way I can express man's quest to the stars (physical) in the context of man's hope at Christmas (metaphysical), especially in believing in the location of 'Heaven'?
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Ahh, those titans. Yes, I recall. I see now - good idea.JohnLott wrote:Titans' are the US expendable carrier rockets
Perhaps it's a context thing - not enough of a clue in the context. Maybe, you could keep the essential image, but give more direction with the verb...
aimed like titans, ready like titans, threatening....etc. "Standing" is too much like what candles do, to nudge the reader to the allusion. If you see what I mean.
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I like the opening couple of lines, whatever Titans you're referring to. I wouldn't have a semi-colon after them, though. Don't get the "impropriety" at all.
Tomorrow the wax cascades
as arctic waterfalls will
at the onset of winter.
"will" seems wrong somehow, though I can't be any more precise than that.
I like the last verse. At first I thought you were talking to Jesus, but I see now you're talking to candles. You're talking to candles, John!I don't get the, er, "meaning" of the poem, mostly because of lines 4-6.
Tomorrow the wax cascades
as arctic waterfalls will
at the onset of winter.
"will" seems wrong somehow, though I can't be any more precise than that.
I like the last verse. At first I thought you were talking to Jesus, but I see now you're talking to candles. You're talking to candles, John!I don't get the, er, "meaning" of the poem, mostly because of lines 4-6.
I'm out of faith and in my cups
I contemplate such bitter stuff.
I contemplate such bitter stuff.
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Hi
I like the old wax/frozen waterfall comparison.
And reading it second time around I see more of the meaning, but perhaps not enough..4-6 are a little elusive.
Ant
I like the old wax/frozen waterfall comparison.
And reading it second time around I see more of the meaning, but perhaps not enough..4-6 are a little elusive.
Ant
We fray into the future, rarely wrought
Save in the tapestries of afterthought.
Richard Wilbur
Save in the tapestries of afterthought.
Richard Wilbur
Hi Ray,
Did not Jesus say he was the light? And did he not go up to his father in heaven, and have we not gone into the heavens in our Geminis and such? And have we found heaven or seen god? And don't the faithful believe we are attacking their faith with science?
And as an agnostic is our doubt becoming frozen like the wax on the bottle and the glacial waterfalls in the arctic at the onset of winter? (now is the winter of our discontent?)
And in our quiet moments do we not seek warmth (assurance) from the flame (of hope)?
I'll see if I can re-write without wrecking.
Thanks
J.
Did not Jesus say he was the light? And did he not go up to his father in heaven, and have we not gone into the heavens in our Geminis and such? And have we found heaven or seen god? And don't the faithful believe we are attacking their faith with science?
And as an agnostic is our doubt becoming frozen like the wax on the bottle and the glacial waterfalls in the arctic at the onset of winter? (now is the winter of our discontent?)
And in our quiet moments do we not seek warmth (assurance) from the flame (of hope)?
I'll see if I can re-write without wrecking.
Thanks
J.
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Yes. No. No. Yes. No. Grammatical error. Yes. Good Luck.
I'm out of faith and in my cups
I contemplate such bitter stuff.
I contemplate such bitter stuff.
small edits done.
the wax cascades down the bottle/the wax has cascaded down the bottle; as an arctic waterfall will (frozen in form) when winter arrives.
Tomorrow the wax cascades are frozen, as arctic waterfalls will be at the onset of winter.
Tomorrow the wax will be seen to have cascaded as arctic waterfalls will be seen to do at the onset of winter.
J.
the wax cascades down the bottle/the wax has cascaded down the bottle; as an arctic waterfall will (frozen in form) when winter arrives.
Tomorrow the wax cascades are frozen, as arctic waterfalls will be at the onset of winter.
Tomorrow the wax will be seen to have cascaded as arctic waterfalls will be seen to do at the onset of winter.
J.
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