Free Will
Could all choice be just a blind,
sleight of mind
courtesy of Kaos,
designed to bind us
to a nonsense of purpose,
as this old train bangs and rattles
along its uncaring track
to everywhere and everywhen,
stopping at infinity
then steaming back again.
sleight of mind
courtesy of Kaos,
designed to bind us
to a nonsense of purpose,
as this old train bangs and rattles
along its uncaring track
to everywhere and everywhen,
stopping at infinity
then steaming back again.
After letting go of branches and walking through the ape gait, we managed to grasp what hands were really for......
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How peculiar. I was expecting the last line to rhyme with track. Something like
then gently steaming back.
I'll have to go and have a lie down, then come back to this with a less syncopated head.
og
then gently steaming back.
I'll have to go and have a lie down, then come back to this with a less syncopated head.
og
One of the eternal questions, Barrie. Whether it's freewill or otherwise the 'nonsense of purpose' argument holds, methinks.
'There's something in a Sunday makes a body feel alone' according to K Kristofferson and I think this is definitely a Sunday musing.
Enigma inside puzzle inside riddle.
R
'There's something in a Sunday makes a body feel alone' according to K Kristofferson and I think this is definitely a Sunday musing.
Enigma inside puzzle inside riddle.
R
- Does the last line work then?oranggunung wrote:How peculiar. I was expecting the last line to rhyme with track. Something like
then gently steaming back.
Thanks Jimmy - Are you comparing me with the Soviet Union?
Barrie
After letting go of branches and walking through the ape gait, we managed to grasp what hands were really for......
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Barrie
there's a trick to this reading lark, isn't there?
I just came back to this and thought I had it, but on rereading it was gone again.
just west of the international punch line
og
there's a trick to this reading lark, isn't there?
I just came back to this and thought I had it, but on rereading it was gone again.
just west of the international punch line
og
Barrie
I rather enjoyed the poderance of the first half of the poem, Kaos and nonsense very intersting.
I'd say that stopping at infinity is rather an infinite problem, but I guess one could have a continual journey which passes the way one went through a worm-hole or pass back by, in a parallel universe.
Tim Dawken
I rather enjoyed the poderance of the first half of the poem, Kaos and nonsense very intersting.
I'd say that stopping at infinity is rather an infinite problem, but I guess one could have a continual journey which passes the way one went through a worm-hole or pass back by, in a parallel universe.
Tim Dawken
to anticipate touching what is unseen seems far more interesting than seeing what the hand can not touch
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If you come from Birmingham it is natural to rhyme "again" with "everywhen", which I did straight away. It's the way you tell 'em as much as the way you write 'em.
I'm out of faith and in my cups
I contemplate such bitter stuff.
I contemplate such bitter stuff.
Hi Barrie
Pretty subtle stuff. I guess it's rattles and infinity that stand out: pretty much everything else is tied in by some sort of rhyme/half-rhyme. Which is nice: since form v. chaos is one theme, and perhaps being made to go and have a lie down is a rather appropriate response, since it feels structured but isn't or vice versa. Life feels structured but isn't? Or we feel like we have a say but we don't? As a counsellor once said to me 'You do have agency, you know.' Do I? And if I did what would I do with it?
Much enjoyed.
Helen
Pretty subtle stuff. I guess it's rattles and infinity that stand out: pretty much everything else is tied in by some sort of rhyme/half-rhyme. Which is nice: since form v. chaos is one theme, and perhaps being made to go and have a lie down is a rather appropriate response, since it feels structured but isn't or vice versa. Life feels structured but isn't? Or we feel like we have a say but we don't? As a counsellor once said to me 'You do have agency, you know.' Do I? And if I did what would I do with it?
Much enjoyed.
Helen
what is free will? Much better posed as a question than as an affirmation - I have nothing to add there, great stuff. I get the feeling this poem could be longer if you wanted it to be, but it's good as is. On the other hand, I guess the old adage "don't be fixin what ain't broken" might be the best course of action.
Indecisively,
sood.
Indecisively,
sood.
"Don't treat your common sense like an umbrella. When you come into a room to philosophize, don't leave it outside, but bring it in with you." Wittgenstein
Thanks all - I was wondering why there was a question about the rhyme in the last line until Ray pointed it out. I pronounce again with the ain as en - aggen, which rhymes with when. Similarly, I wouldn't see a rhyme in again/rain. I should have realized what the problem was - this happened just a few weeks ago - See Elphin's post
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Trouble is, there's no 'correct' way to pronounce English; it all depends where you're from.
cheers all.
Barrie
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Trouble is, there's no 'correct' way to pronounce English; it all depends where you're from.
- Free Wullie, surely.Elphin wrote:its such a pity I keep reading that title as Free Willie!
- I'm not really bothered about an answer, I'm quite happy looking out of the windows and enjoying the ride.thoke wrote:The answer to the poem is 'yes'.
- You've got me there, I'll smile instead.pseud wrote:what is free will?
cheers all.
Barrie
After letting go of branches and walking through the ape gait, we managed to grasp what hands were really for......
hey barrie
interesting musing. perfect for today; being as dismal as it is. by the way i dont get "kaos".. tried googling it, what am i missing?
harrison
interesting musing. perfect for today; being as dismal as it is. by the way i dont get "kaos".. tried googling it, what am i missing?
harrison
Aren't people absurd! They never use the freedoms they do have but demand those they don't have; they have freedom of thought, they demand freedom of speech.
Thanks harrison
Kaos is Chaos - just me getting into bad habits through reading too many Victorian books on mythology.
Barrie
Kaos is Chaos - just me getting into bad habits through reading too many Victorian books on mythology.
Barrie
After letting go of branches and walking through the ape gait, we managed to grasp what hands were really for......