confused

[Venus in Furs]

I have read the do's and dont's where does it say dont swear and where does it say that the moderators can decide to change and edit and generally fuck around with and delete your poems. Who decides what is poetry and what isnt, you seriously have this the wrong way round, im really quite shocked by your actions, how would you have dealt with the real mavericks?

I wouldnt be so pissed off if you would at least provide me with some explanantions, and not that pepper picture fucker who can fuck off.

[camus]

Swear as much as you want young man, it's funny.

Alas you haven't contributed an ounce, yet you are outpouring your drab shit on us, get with it or go away, you are very tiresome.

[k-j]

and not that pepper picture fucker who can fuck off.

Raa!

[camus]

"how would you have dealt with the real mavericks?"

So I'm presuming you consider yourself a False Maverick? How strange.

[azathoth]

hey man don't take it to heart, its just a forum right? right, so post some more poems and let it go, your l'artiste poem was cool, you have interesting things to say; dont limit yourself to shouting at people.

[lemur]

Em, people are getting so het up on this forum in the last few days.

I find it depressing - an online forum to post and critique poetry, and even that descends into bad manners and posturing.

Venus - I don't know the details, but if your poems have been deleted it's probably because you posted so many at the one time.

I think if you're civil and play within the rules you'll find people very willing to judge your poems on their own merits. That's been my experience, anyway.

[camus]

Unfortunately "Penis in furs" was rude, arrogant and ignorant from the off. He verbally abused people, made no attempt to contribute and posted 5 of his poems in succession.

The situation was explained to him, he ceased to grasp it.

[pseud]

I get the distinct impression Venus doesn't want to be here. At least not in any productive way.

[pseud]

V in Fur -

This may help you, in your quest for an explanation.

Perhaps the rules need to be looked at more carefully. On the do's side we have:

1. Review at least 1 other poem before submitting your own. You don't have to be a university poetry professor to do this. Reviewing poems is not rocket science. Simply read the poem in question a couple of times - inwardly digest it - and then try and identify what you like or dislike about it - preferably giving examples.

Interesting. I clicked on your post history and can't find one criticism of any poem.

2. Make your criticism constructive. The aim of the forum is to help people to improve the quality of their work. See http://poetsgraves.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1563

Unless you consider "you're really an idiot" as loosely constructive...yeah you've pretty much not done this.

3. When posting a poem, put its title in the subject box.

You've managed to keep this one. Good job.

4. Try not to take criticism personally.

I guess you could say you've kept this one. Seems to be a little less than professional in your dealings with camus, though.

5. Thank reviewers for their comments even if they hated your poem.
6. If your poem contains explicit or erotic language please place a warning in the title.

Yada, yada...

7. Check your spelling and punctuation carefully before you post.

Unless you want someone obnoxious like myself picking apart the grammar of this 'confused' complaint, I'd suggest you capitalize, use appropriate end punctuation and the like in the future...

Ahhh...and now we come to the section entitled "What You Should Not Do" - underlined for effect.

1. Post more than one poem at a time on a single thread.

I honestly don't think you've thought of this approach yet.

2. Post more than 2 poems a day.

Well, according to camus, who has been very polite and honest with those of us who've been here longer than, I don't know, A DAY AND A HALF, you've posted 5.

5 = "more than 2"

3. Write in capital letters (we are not deaf).
4. Use bold type (we're still not deaf).
5. Use the forum to propagate your religious or political views thinly disguised as poetry.

thank goodness you've not done any of these...

6. Assume multiple identities in order to praise your own work.
7. Get your friends to register in order to praise your work.
8. Use the forum primarily to plug your own websites.

Can never be too sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were the case...

And finally we come to....

9. Mess with the moderators.

Which has, in fact, become something like a cardinal sin in these parts. Tread carefully, and ask yourself: do you have something better to do with your time than argue, call names and play kindergarten games? Would it not be easier to simply follow the rules, instead of claiming ignorance???

[Bombadil]

A cardinal sin, eh? This I think is a bit overblown. I think the mods tolerate debate, not argument...growing pains, not stagnation.

...

Simmer down a bit Furball. You'll find us fairly likeable.

Cheers,

Bombadil

[Thomas]

V-Fur never heard of you before at least i can't remember you anyway,There are good heated debates on here from time to time and the Moderators on here (in their spare time un-paid i may add)Do i think a good job, their all fair and tolerant in my opinion.

Swearing and kicking out like you have just lost your toys out of the pram is not really getting you far,Try being respectful maybe and actually listen to certain people on here,They are good at what they do in regards to Moderation and poetry.

I can't stand abusive behavour(does my head right in)....

I wonder if Cameron has read this thread (His response should be fun lol )

Chill out try write poetry lifes to short Fur Ball....

Cheers Tom.

[cameron]

Further to pseud's explanation of the rules, there is also a general agreement which you accepted when you registered:

"While the administrators and moderators of this forum will attempt to remove or edit any generally objectionable material as quickly as possible, it is impossible to review every message. Therefore you acknowledge that all posts made to these forums express the views and opinions of the author and not the administrators, moderators or webmaster (except for posts by these people) and hence will not be held liable.

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed). The IP address of all posts is recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this forum have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should they see fit."

If you don't like our rules, find another forum which suits you better.

Cam