A history teacher’s appraisal by his pupils (Version 3)

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On the plus side, sir, we love the anecdotes:
Raleigh’s puddle, Drake’s drum.
That mariner in the Doldrums.
Magellan, Cook and Ponce de Leon.

You never shoot us down
or have us write the date out in the margin.
Dates, you say, are strictly historical.

But since you’re a stickler for observation, sir,
there’s something we’ve detected lately
in the sources of your person,
the way you drift at the whiteboard, penless,
...............................................................starboard from centre
spinning your Age of Exploration globe
until it slows to the brink of inertia,
before resting a palm on its surface.

It’s as though you’re the barrelman, sir,
fixed in the crowsnest of our education,
duty bound, tirelessly seeking land.

In short, sir, we're concerned
you’re becoming that teacher you talk about,
the one from Waterland
who lectured his classes not in history, not strictly,
but in identity, the tension between silt and sea
between sanity and legacy.

That one morning you’ll enter, slapdash
and slightly late, as ever, to simply spin and spin
until the globe dizzies on its axis.


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On the plus side, sir, we love the anecdotes:
Raleigh’s puddle, Drake’s drum.
The perils of the Doldrums. Magellan.
You never shoot us down
or have us write the date out in the margin.
Dates, you say, are strictly historical.
But since you’re a stickler for observation, sir,
there’s something we’ve detected lately
in the sources of your person,
the way you drift at the whiteboard, penless,
—————starboard from centre
spinning your Age of Exploration globe
until it slows to the brink of inertia,
before resting a palm on its surface.
In short, sir, we’re concerned
you’re becoming that teacher you talk about,
the one from Waterland
who lectured his classes not in history, not strictly,
but in identity, the tension between silt and sea
between sanity and legacy.
That one morning you’ll enter as ever, slapdash,
slightly late, and simply spin and spin
until the globe dizzies on its axis.


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On the plus side, sir, we love the anecdotes:
Raleigh’s puddle, Drake’s drum,
Jeffrey Hudson and his Barbary pirates. Magellan.
You never shoot us down
or have us write the date out in the margin.
Dates, as you say, are strictly historical.

But since you’re a stickler for observation, sir,
there’s something we’ve detected lately
in the sources of your person,
the way you drift at the whiteboard, penless,
starboard from centre
spinning your Age of Exploration globe
until it slows to the brink of inertia,
before resting a palm on its surface.

And what about your sudden, unexplained aversion
to celebrity historians? We’ve no time for jealousy, sir;
you know we like a documentary.
And this tourettes you’re developing
- strictly ornithological
but nonetheless inappropriate -
declaiming every passing chiffchaff, robin,
each red kite shadow on the lawn circling, apparently, in perpetuity?
Perhaps you should consider changing classrooms.
It’s birdless in geography.

In short, sir, we’re concerned
you’re becoming that teacher you talk about,
the rogue protagonist in Waterland
lecturing his classes not in history, not strictly,
but in identity, the tension between silt and sea
between sanity and legacy. That one morning you’ll enter
as ever, slapdash, slightly late, and simply spin and spin
until the old globe dizzies on its axis.
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Hi Luke,
very enjoyable read, and the opening 'on the plus side' is excellent.
(Though the anecdotes mentioned all seem a bit obvious)
Bit confused by 'Magellan' - no anecdote, deliberately so? - and it
doesn't seem to flow into 'You never shoot us down'. Alternatively
Magellan. You never cut/chop us down would link the two thoughts.

'brink of inertia' - seems to be trying a bit too hard. If you could
stand the pun then, perhaps, as it slows to a sail's pace ?

And then there's your sudden, unexplained aversion ?
I don't think 'declaiming' threads with Tourettes, perhaps ticking
every passing ... ?

'rogue protagonist' - again, a bit too much. Unless it's a phrase
the teacher uses. Why not the simpler the one in Waterland ?

I like 'dizzies' but I think the last line weakens the ending.
...
between sanity and legacy. We worry
that one morning you’ll enter the classroom,
slightly late and as slapdash as ever, and simply spin
and spin



Regards, Not


ps Why 'by virtue of' ?


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Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:15 am

Thanks NOT, appreciate this.
No idea about ‘by virtue of...’. Getting rid.
As for the anecdotes, I wanted them to be recognisable. I usually get accused of being too obscure!
Think I’ll drip Magellan.
Like ‘ticking’, great shout.
Unsure about the ending, I’ll get back to you.

Cheers,

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I'm stumbling over the birds at the moment. I'm missing something obvious, aren't I?
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1lankest wrote:
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As for the anecdotes, I wanted them to be recognisable. I usually get accused of being too obscure!
Maybe just swap one then? Cut the Drake (too close to Raleigh,) and send the reader off to google :)

I liked Magellan, threaded well/easily into the 'Age of Exploration'.
(I did wonder if you could include Captain Cook and Juan Ponce de León in your list, along with Magellan?
Purely for the similarity of their deaths :) )

Question mark after 'classrooms'

If I may, I commend to your attention 'doldrums' (seems it might fit in somewhere :) )


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Doldrums! Brilliant, NoT, brilliant.

David, the birds are there to further represent the teacher’s longing for freedom, change. But also to show that even the ‘free’ go round in circles, that even explorers must return to some shore or other. Are they too distracting do you think?

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1lankest wrote:
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David, the birds are there to further represent the teacher’s longing for freedom, change. But also to show that even the ‘free’ go round in circles, that even explorers must return to some shore or other. Are they too distracting do you think?

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Oh okay. I'll reread it on that basis.
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NOT, do you think ‘Doldrums’ would be a good title?

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David, would this be better? -

declaiming every passing pigeon, dove,
seagull shadows on the lawn circling, apparently,
in perpetuity?
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Excellent. Would the aversion to celebrity historians be sudden? I'd have thought not.

Perhaps you should consider changing classrooms.
It’s birdless in geography.

I wouldn't miss those lines if they went.
I'm out of faith and in my cups
I contemplate such bitter stuff.
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Hi Luke,
just to weigh in on the side of the birds (the originals, including the migratory chiffchaff).
I think what matters is not whether it is understood by the reader that they represent the 'teacher's longing ...' but that the pupils recognise the new behaviour as significant. For me, one of the key phrases in the poem is we're concerned.
The interpretation I'm favouring is that the appraisal is the pupil's way of encouraging the teacher to leave, to look for a life beyond school. Don't tell me if I'm wrong! :)

Yes, I think 'Doldrums' would work as a title, but at the expense of shifting the focus entirely onto the teacher. At the moment he's being seen purely through the prism of the 'pupils' appraisal' - which is what I think makes the such a good (and interesting) read. One cares about his 'mid-life crisis' precisely because they do. I'd also keep the 'solicitous' Perhaps you should consider changing classrooms ...

Just a thought
as ever, slapdash, slightly late, and simply spin and spin
forever in the doldrums
until the old globe dizzies on its axis.


Regards, Not


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I must be feeling brutal today, because I would happily lose S3 completely. To be replaced by a new one, if you feel the need for it, to highlight the contrast between the high ideals (allegedly, at least) of the Age of Exploration and its actual achievements. I'm not sure you need one, though.

So yes, I think the birds are a distraction, and the celebrity historians even more of one - even though I can't stand most of those BBC4 historians myself. (Dan bleedin' Mr Nepotism Snow especially.)
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Thanks Ray, David, NOT. Appreciate you returning to this.
I’ve taken bits of all your advice and shown, IMHO, considerably bravery in my edit! Hope you approve.
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Hi Luke,
it works, but, for me, not as well as the original. I don't find the teacher,
becalmed at the whiteboard a sufficient observation/reason, in itself, for the
pupils' concern.

Not sure 'perils of the doldrums' works (though I like the phrase).
On the plus side, sir, we love the anecdotes:
Raleigh’s puddle, Drake’s drum.
That Mariner in the Doldrums.
Magellan, Cook and Ponce de Leon
You never shoot us down


The ending's still a little awkward. Perhaps
That one morning you’ll enter, slapdash
and slightly late, as usual, to simply spin
and spin until the globe dizzies on its axis.


Regards, Not



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You’re right, NOT, thanks. You’ve got a pretty good sense of this one so I am going to go with you wholeheartedly.
I’ve added an extra bit in the middle to add substance to the pupils concern, without, I think, muddying the water with birds.

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I like the addition. Should be crow's nest, though, I think.
in the sources of your person, - would any young person really say that?
I'm out of faith and in my cups
I contemplate such bitter stuff.
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Good point, Ray.

How about ‘the sources of your movements’?
I had considered the unrealistic nature of some of the language, given they are pupils, but I thought it didn’t matter in a poem. Surely there’s an element of suspension of disbelief expected of the reader?

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I really enjoyed the inventive scenario for this. The only nit I had was that the last stanza is now detached from its verb so it took me a few reads to realise the 'that' was not demonstrative. Maybe a comma or semi-colon after 'legacy' would help. Alex
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Thanks Alexander! Good shout on the semi colon. Can i ask you which your preferred version is?
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Hi, Luke

You seem to be having some difficulty with the indent tab so I've used a series of full stops and the colour that matches the background to help with the indentation. Hope you don't mind. If I am in error just say the word and I'll change it back. I don't know why the indent isn't working.

I thought the poem was brilliant, so much so that I found myself nodding the nod of recognition. The spinning globe, in particular, spoke of the drifting off into thoughts and destinations hitherto unexplored. I'm not sure which version I prefer but it's between the original and V3

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V3

On the plus side, sir, we love the anecdotes:
Raleigh’s puddle, Drake’s drum.
That mariner in the Doldrums. ...Would "That mariner becalmed in the doldrums" help to imply hope? OR "wasting in the doldrums"?
Magellan, Cook and Ponce de Leon.

You never shoot us down ...Oh, I'd love to mention that albatross at this point.
or have us write the date out in the margin.
Dates, you say, are strictly historical.

But since you’re a stickler for observation, sir,
there’s something we’ve detected lately
in the sources of your person,
the way you drift at the whiteboard, penless,
...............................................................starboard from centre
spinning your Age of Exploration globe
until it slows to the brink of inertia,
before resting a palm on its surface.

It’s as though you’re the barrelman, sir, ...The barrelman has heavy sexual connotations. Was this your intent? It moves away from the central thrust, so to speak. :)
fixed in the crowsnest of our education, ...Crow's nest? Am I missing something? Could be and not for the first time. :)
duty bound, tirelessly seeking land.

In short, sir, we're concerned
you’re becoming that teacher you talk about,
the one from Waterland
who lectured his classes not in history, not strictly,
but in identity, the tension between silt and sea
between sanity and legacy.

That one morning you’ll enter, slapdash
and slightly late, as ever, to simply spin and spin
until the globe dizzies on its axis. ...Frighteningly good close and too close to home for this dreamer.

Very much enjoyed

Best

JJ


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Thanks JJ! Really glad you liked it.
Didn’t know about the sexual connotations! Gulp. Certainly not intended. Please explain!
I just meant to reference the man who would be on lookout in the ship’s crow’s nest (usually made from an disused wine barrique or beer barrel.)
Any view in the birds? NOT is keen but others less so. I’m inclined to leave them out.

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Thanks JJ! Really glad you liked it.
Didn’t know about the sexual connotations! Gulp. Certainly not intended. Please explain!
I just meant to reference the man who would be on lookout in the ship’s crow’s nest (usually made from an disused wine barrique or beer barrel.)
Any view in the birds? NOT is keen but others less so. I’m inclined to leave them out.

Luke
Well, I liked birds but I'm something of a minor twitcher so I am biased. They added something interesting and the migratory possibilities were intriguing. The sense of liberation also struck a chord with me.

There's an old joke about a group of sexually frustrated sailors finding satisfaction in the knothole of a barrel. The barrelman took his turn in the barrel. Don't blame me, it's not my joke. :)

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“There's an old joke about a group of sexually frustrated sailors finding satisfaction in the knothole of a barrel. The barrelman took his turn in the barrel. Don't blame me, it's not my joke. :)

That’s a game-changer! Damn it.

Good to know re the birds.

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